Q: Is No Forced Vaccines an anti-vaccination organisation?
A: No. Members of No Forced Vaccines come from variety of backgrounds and have a variety of opinions about vaccination. Some support vaccination. Others have decided not to allow their children to have any vaccines. However members believe that parents have the right to decide which vaccines their children receive (if any) and at what age – without any form of coercion – such as withdrawal of services or financial penalties, and that adults should not have to be vaccinated in order to work in the profession of their choice.
Q: This website states that there is a scientific controversy about vaccination. How can I find out about the evidence for and against vaccination?
A: Go to the “Vaccination information” page of this site. It contains links to websites that present arguments both for and against vaccination. Many of the articles on these sites contain references to the scientific and medical literature on this topic that can be accessed on-line. The suggested reading list also includes books on the issue of vaccination.
Q: Where can I get information about individual vaccines?
A: Visit the Medsafe website at the following link http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/dsform.asp and type in the brand name of the vaccine or ingredient (such as “influenza”) into the search box. This will give you the prescribing information for the vaccine and most of the potential adverse effects. (You may need to consult an on-line medical dictionary for some terms.) Some conditions that have been linked to certain vaccines such as autism and diabetes may not be listed on the datasheet of the relevant vaccine(s). For this reason it is a good idea to do a google search for more information about controversial conditions.
Q: Is there any way of making vaccination safer?
A: Evidence from case histories of children who have suffered adverse reactions to vaccines suggests that some children may be at higher risk of side effects than others. Babies and children with a family history of autoimmune conditions, immuno-deficiency and neurological problems may be at higher than normal risk. Babies or children who are already sick when they are vaccinated appear to also have a higher risk of adverse reactions. Bottle fed babies appear to have a higher risk than breast fed babies. However, vaccine reactions can be unpredictable – due in part to variations between batches of the same vaccine – and genetic and other differences between vaccine recipients.
Vaccines that do not contain the mercury based preservative thimerosal should be safer than vaccines that use this preservative. (The standard childhood vaccines now no longer contain thimerosal but there may still be some mercury in Infanrix-hexa – which is on the NZ vaccination schedule for babies aged 6 weeks, three months and five months – based on a study published in 2010. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20391108.)
Vaccines that contain any type of aluminium salt are suspect because of the research that shows that injecting an aluminium salt adjuvant into animals causes neurological damage. http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_literature_60253/Aluminium_-_Shaw_09
Parents can check vaccine ingredients by using the link on the Medsafe website. http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/dsform.asp
Q: My child has recently been vaccinated and I think s/he is having an adverse reaction. What should I do?
A: Get medical help for your child as soon as possible. Ensure that the doctor(s) and nurse(s) caring for your child document all his/her symptoms. This could be crucial for getting compensation if s/he is left handicapped or chronically ill. Consider consulting a doctor or other health professional who is trained in nutritional medicine as it is possible that supplementary nutrients such as vitamin C may assist in helping reduce the effects of toxic ingredients in the vaccine and thus improve symptoms. Homoeopathy can help in some cases of vaccine damage; consult a practitioner who has experience in this area.
Q: If my child has an adverse reaction to a vaccine and becomes seriously ill or disabled, is compensation available?
A: In theory, ACC should provide compensation to NZ children and adults who suffer an adverse reaction to a vaccine (or vaccines). However, in reality many people who are injured by vaccines have their claims for compensation turned down on the grounds that there is “insufficient evidence” that the vaccine caused the health problem.
If you decide your child should have any vaccine(s) it is important to ensure that their health and development is fully documented in their medical records and/or Tamariki Ora/Well Child record book before they are vaccinated. It should also be documented that they are obviously healthy at the time of the vaccination appointment. In this way, if they should suffer an adverse reaction after vaccination, it will be more difficult for ACC to reject a claim for compensation.
It is also important that all symptoms of any adverse reaction(s) are comprehensively recorded, as discussed above. It is also wise for you to acquire a copy of your child’s own medical records in case they get lost in the system.
Q: Do many children in NZ die from “vaccine preventable” diseases?
A: No. Fortunately very few children in NZ die from infections of any type. According to the Immunisation Handbook (2006) produced by the Ministry of Health, regarding pertussis (whooping cough) “There were no deaths from pertussis in New Zealand between 1988 and 1995 and one death in 1996 and since 1999 there has been one death each year up to 2004.”
In 1985, according to Just a Little Prick by Hilary Butler two children died of measles, one of whom also had cancer and was on chemotherapy and one child who had I-cell disease. According to the previous edition of the Immunisation Handbook in the 1991 measles epidemic it was reported that there were 7 deaths from measles (among the estimated 40,000-60,000 people who had the disease).
In 2006 there were ten deaths from the flu or pneumonia in people under the age of 20. There were also six other deaths from bacterial diseases and three deaths from viral diseases (other than the flu or pneumonia).
Q: What are the major causes of death for NZ babies, children and teenagers?
A: In 2006 they were accidents, congenital conditions, intentional self-harm and cancer (in that order of frequency).
Sue Claridge’s Oral Submission on the “Inquiry into how to improve completion rates of childhood immunisation” to the Health Select Committee Inquiry on “How to increase immunisation completion rates” states:
“In 2006, 674 children and young people under the age of 20 died.
“One hundred and forty-five of them died from accidents, 101 from congenital conditions, 67 of them from intentional self-harm. While ten died from the flu or pneumonia (before the inclusion of the pneumococcal vaccine on the schedule), 19 children and young people died at the hands of other human beings. Only six died from bacterial disease and three from viral disease other than the flu or pneumonia – and this number includes all the diseases for which there are vaccines and the ones for which there aren’t.”
Her submission also states that in 2006, cancer killed 41 New Zealanders under the age of 20.
Every death in a young person is a tragedy and it is possible that many of these deaths may have been able to be prevented with (such as through avoidance of accidents and preconceptual care to reduce the number of babies born with congenital defects and cell damage that could lead to cancer.) Better treatment (such as intravenous vitamin C) may well have been lifesaving for children with infections. For children and teenagers suffering from depression improvements in care (and avoidance of the use of drugs that can increase suicide risk) may also have reduced the rate of death from self-harm.
Q: Are vaccines responsible for NZ’s relatively low childhood mortality rates?
A: Probably not. As the graphs on Sue Claridge’s oral submission notes state mortality from childhood infections declined massively during the 20th century – before the introduction of mass vaccination. The decline in the death of NZ children prior to mass vaccination is likely to be due to a combination of smaller families, better nutrition, safer water supplies, improved hygiene and advances in medical treatment which have allowed many children to survive accidents and illnesses that might previously have proven fatal. (All Sue Claridge’s submissions may be obtained by visiting the following link on the NZ parliamentary website: http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/ and typing her name into the search box.)
Q: if I don’t vaccinate my child (or choose to avoid some vaccines) what should I do to keep my child healthy?
A: The same things you would do if s/he were vaccinated.
Breast feed if possible, and make sure older children have a nutritious diet without harmful additives or too much sugar. Used filtered, distilled or safe (low nitrate) spring water to minimise their exposure to fluoride and chlorine.
Ensure your children spend time playing outdoors so they get enough sunshine on their skin to make vitamin D and/or use viatmin D supplements as appropriate. (Seek professional advciec to ensure a safe does of vitamin D and keep vitamin D supplements out of the reach of children as it is a fat soluble vitamin and an overdose would be toxic.)
A good routine and sufficient rest and sleep are also important to children’s health.
Children also need a loving environment and require patient guidance so that they learn appropriate behaviour for different situations.
Q: Where can I find information about caring for my child if s/he develops a childhood illness?
A: The book How to Raise a Vaccine Free Child by Wendy Lydall (see the More Information page) contains a lot of good suggestions on how to care for children if they develop one of the normally mild childhood illnesses such as measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox.
The website www.healthychild.com has some useful articles and you can also sign up for a free newsletter.
Q: Are unvaccinated children a health risk to vaccinated children?
A: No. Vaccinated children should be protected from “vaccine-preventable” disease(s) by the vaccine(s) that they have received – this is the whole point of having them vaccinated! If the vaccine(s) fail to prevent disease and the vaccinated child contracts a childhood disease from an unvaccinated (or another vaccinated) friend or classmate, that is the fault of the failure of the vaccine, not anyone else.
Q: Do vaccinated children pose a health risk to unvaccinated children?
A: Theoretically yes in some cases, depending on the vaccine – but in normal circumstances the health risk, if any, is negligible. There is potential for people who have been vaccinated with live virus vaccines to excrete viruses that could pose an infection risk to those who are unvaccinated (or vaccinated individuals whose immunity has “worn off”). The CDC warns against the use of oral polio vaccine (OPV) in families where someone is immunodeficient as the live viruses in the vaccine could potentially cause paralytic illness in someone with a depressed immune system. (See http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00023141.htm ) However in normal circumstances (and with good hygiene) people recently vaccinated with OPV do not pose a health risk to anyone else. (If they did pose a health risk, unvaccinated babies or young children who attended daycare in NZ when OPV was still used in NZ would have developed polio – but they didn’t.) OPV is no longer used in NZ.
Q: Is it safe to receive live virus vaccines while breast feeding?
A: The breast milk of nursing mothers can contain live viruses if they are vaccinated with a live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine. According to MSD (the manufacturer of the MMRII vaccine used in NZ) recent studies have shown that breast feeding mothers who have received “live attenuated rubella vacccine may secrete the virus in breast milk and transmit it to breast-fed infant”. According to MSD “none [of the affected infants] exhibited severe disease”. (MSD states that it is “not known” whether the measles or mumps vaccine virus is secreted in mothers’ mil – see: http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/m/MMRIIinj.pdf )
Q: Are there effective treatments for “vaccine preventable” diseases?
A: Yes, fortunately for most “vaccine preventable” diseases, there are effective treatments – so people in NZ who do contract these diseases usually survive if they have access to appropriate treatment early enough in the course of the disease. However, this does not mean that people who develop these diseases will definitely survive, and some survivors may suffer long term effects such as brain damage, deafness, heart damage, liver problems or perhaps physical disability due to amputations, depending on which disease they have had.
Below is a list of diseases and medical treatment options:
Diptheria: Diptheria is a bacterial infection caused by Cornebacterium diptheriae and can be treated with antibiotics (usually erythromycin or penicillin). Antitoxin may also be used in its treatment as the toxin produced by the bacteria can cause heart damage and other problems. Klenner reported successful treatment of diptheria using very high dosages of intravenous vitamin C (or intramuscular injections if the patient’s veins were very tiny) either on its own or in conjunction with antitoxin. He found that very high doses of vitamin C caused the membrane at the back of the throat to gradually decompose. (See Curing the Incurable by Thomas Levy, MD ISBN 1-4010-6963-0)
Like many potentially pathogenic bacteria, those that can cause diptheria can also be carried in the back of the throat without causing illness.
A comprehensive overview of the conventional treatment Diptheria infections and their treatment may be read at: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/782051-overview
Pertussis: Pertussis (whooping cough) is a bacterial infection caused by Bordatella pertussis or Bordatella parapertussis. It can be treated with the antibiotic Erythromycin or similar drugs – although there are questions about how safe some of these drugs are for young babies. The cough may continue after the antibiotics, but the person is no longer infectious to others once the course has been completed. High doses of vitamin C may be worthwhile to reduce the effects of the toxin produced by the bacteria thus reducing coughing. Research cited in Curing the Incurable by Thomas Levy, MD (ISBN 1-4010-6963-0 ) cites research that shows that a reduction in pertussis symptoms can be achieved with even modest doses of supplementary vitamin C.
An article about the use of vitamin C in the treatment of whooping cough may be read at this link: http://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/vaccination/the-vitamin-c-treatment-of-whooping-cough/
Tetanus: Tetanus is a bacterial infection caused by Clostridria tetani. In conventional medical treatment a combination of drugs is used for people with this disease. Tetanus immune globulin is used to reduce the harmful effects of the toxin produced by the bacteria while antibiotics can be used to kill the offending microorganisms. Drugs which relax muscles may also be used to relieve the painful spasms caused by the toxin. With good conventional treatment, the survival rate is about 70%. A recent study found that adding 1000mg/day of intravenous vitamin C to the usual conventional treatment regime resulted in 100% survival in children aged 1 to12. The death rate of teenagers and adults (age 13-30) given 1000mg of IV vitamin C in addition to standard treatment was 37% (compared to 67.8% with standard treatment alone.) Dr Levy comments in his book that the 1000mg dose given to teenagers and adults was too low for their increased body weight. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6466264
Pneumococcal disease: Bacteria in the Pneumococcal family can cause a variety of infections, including ear infections, pneumonia, meningitis, infections of the bones and joints, heart and blood poisoning. The bacteria may also be carried in the back of the throat without causing disease. Pneumococcal infections infections are treatable with antibiotics.
Meningococcal disease: Bacteria in the meningococcal family may be carried in the back of the throat without causing disease in up to 20% of the population, however in some people (babies having the highest risk) meningococcal bacteria can cause infections – such as meningitis and septiceamia – that very quickly become life threatening. These infections can usually (but not always) be treated successfully with antibiotics; however, survivors may be left with brain damage, deafness or scarring or disability from surgery necessary to remove dead tissue such as amputation. (The meningococcal B vaccine MeNZB is no longer used available in NZ as it expired and the meningococcal B epidemic is over. The meningoccocal B vaccine now available (as of late 2018) in NZ is called BEXSERO and is free to close contacts of people who have had been sick from meningococcal B.
There was an upsurge in meningococcal C disease cases in Northland in 2011 and in of late September 2011) a schools-based vaccination progamme using a meningococcal C vaccine was instituted, while children aged 1-4 could receive the vaccine at their family’s medical centre. (The vaccine that was used in this campagin is called Meningitec and it contains aluminium phosphate as an adjuvant. The datasheet for this vaccine (that includes side effects, contraindications etc) can be downloaded from Medsafe’s website at the following link: http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/dsform.asp )
Since 2017, another strain of meningoccal disease (known as the menW strain) has become more prominent than usual in New Zealand. A MCV4-D vaccine called Menactra is available for MenW (and also includes antigens for MenA, MenC and MenY). The datasheet for this vaccine may be accessed here: https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/m/menactrainj.pdf )
Please note that the MenW strain can have unusual symptoms and a higher fatality rate than the meningococcal B strain. (The update from the Ministry of Health may be seen at this link https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/meningococcal)
It is possible that vitamin C deficiency is a co-factor in the development of acute meningococcal disease and that accordingly intravenous vitamin C may be a useful adjunct to antibiotics and surgery, if required. See http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/117-1200/1012/content.pdf
Hepatitis B: Hepatitis B is a viral disease of the liver than can be caused by the Hepatitis B virus. (Not everyone who is exposed to the virus develops liver disease and over 95% of adults exposed to the virus mount an immune system response that clear the virus. The greatest danger posed by the virus is to babies of infected mothers who are at high risk of developing chronic infection with hepatitis B. Hepatitis B vaccine and immunoglobulin are offered to these babies at birth.)
High doses of vitamin C have been shown to be protective against contracting hepatitis from virus-contaminated blood transfusions. (In NZ there is minimal risk of contracting hepatitis B from a blood transfusion as blood is screened for this virus.) Acute hepatitis B can be easily treated with intravenous (IV) vitamin C. http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n03-p143.shtml
Chronic hepatitis B does not seem to respond in the same dramatic way to IVC, however, nutritional medicine does offer the potential to control the disease. There are also a number of drug treatment options. Liver transplant may be an option if damage to the liver is very severe. Unfortunately, the immunosuppressive drugs required to prevent the body from rejecting a donor liver reduces the ability of the immune system to combat the virus so this is not a long term solution. An overview of diagnosis and treatment of chronic hepatitis B may be read at this link. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079522/
Polio: Polio is an infection caused by the poliomyelitis virus. It can be successfully treated with intravenous (or intramuscular) vitamin C. The text of the article in the Southern Journal of Medicine and Surgery in which Dr Klenner reported on his cure patients may be read here: A reprint of the article in which Dr Klenner published his results may be read here: https://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/194x/klenner-fr-southern_med_surg-1949-v111-n7-p209.htmkell
Influenza: The efficacy of intravenous vitamin C in treating severe influenza is now well known in NZ thanks to the 60 Minutes stories about Allan’s Smith’s recovery from a deadly pneumonia caused H1N1 influenza after he was administered high doses of intravenous vitamin C (IVC) while on life support in Auckland Hospital. (See issue 1 of The New Zealand Journal of Natural Medicine). Unfortunately, despite the success of IVC in saving Mr Smith’s life, requests of other patients and/or their family members for IVC to treat influenza have been turned down.
In the early 1980s US physician Cathcart reported successfully treating influenza with oral vitamin C given according to his “bowel tolerance” regime. High doses of oral vitamin C is a treatment that can be used at home. The following link gives an overview of the use of vitamin C in a number of conditions as well as information on possible risks of high dose vitamin C.
Measles: Measles is listed in Curing the Incurable by Thomas Levy, MD (ISBN 1-4010-6963-0 ) as being “Curable and Preventable” with vitamin C and includes some of Klenner’s case histories including that of an uneventful recovery of a child suffering from measles encephalitis (inflammation of the brain – which according to the NZ Ministry of Health occurs in one in 1000 people who get measles.) Prompt treatment of encephalitis, regardless of the cause is important since the condition may result in death or survivors may be brain damaged.
The following link gives an overview of the use of vitamin C in a number of conditions as well as information on possible risks of high dose vitamin C.
Mumps: This childhood illness is also listed as being “Curable and Preventable” with vitamin C in Curing the Incurable by Thomas Levy, MD (ISBN 1-4010-6963-0 ).
The book cites a report by Klenner in which 33 out of 33 cases of mumps responded promptly to vitamin C injections with fever resolved in 24 ours and pain gone by 36 hours, including two whose mumps were complicated with orchitis (inflammation of the testicles), one of whom was a 23 year old man whose testicles were reported to be have swollen to the size of tennis balls with severe pain.
Rubella: In children rubella is usually such a mild disease that it does not require treatment, however if a child with rubella were ill, vitamin C would be a treatment option worth considering. Rubella is dangerous to the foetus and can cause birth defects and brain damage if contracted during early pregnancy. This is why NZ women are routinely offered testing of their level of rubella antibodies in early pregnancy to check whether or not they are likely to be immune to the disease.
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